Don’t Reject Oxbridge

Don’t attack Oxbridge – we are not the root of the problem.

The news that a girl ‘rejected’ Oxford did the rounds of the press last week. She was lauded by self-styled anti-establishment types and decried by most of Oxbridge. It went straight onto the Guardian’s built-for-purpose ‘Oxbridge and Elitism’ section (yes, it exists).

I am actually sympathetic to Elly Nowell’s avowed dislike of ‘traditions and rituals’. It doesn’t seem like the best reason to choose your university, but there’s no reason why she should go anywhere she doesn’t want to go.

But the thing that really annoys me is the view of Oxbridge as being exceptionally ‘snobby’.

Thumbs up for reinforcing stereotypes 

Now, it can’t be denied that Cambridge and Oxford both select primarily from a narrow socio-economic band. Leaving aside whose fault this is (although the best study suggests that it’s not Oxbridge’s), I could understand why someone not from a traditional Oxbridge background might feel put off. It is a real problem, and one that the outreach officer of every college in Oxford and Cambridge do a great job trying to reduce.

But the problem is misunderstood, and concealed by the press’s obsession with private-to-state ratios. Some of the most privileged people I know went to state school, some of the least, on a scholarship to private school.

The real scandal is in the small number of students (and applicants) who are not middle class. And this is best represented by a straight-forward measure of wealth – free school meals. Now, Oxbridge does score badly on this – but not significantly worse than many other universities.

Bristol, Exeter, Newcastle, Durham, Bath – the names never seem to crop up in conversations about elitism, yet their FSM numbers are very close to ours.

The problem is a big one, but it’s a social one not an Oxbridge one. The righteously angry get distracted by our nice chapels and silly gowns, and end up assuming that we’ve jumped on horses and ridden the plebs out of town.

This anachronistic view is not just a pain in the arse. It relieves the pressure on the other universities, and on society in general, to right significant wrongs.

So long as people like Elly Nowell continue to assume that inequality is a function of nice stonework, it will persist where they have failed to see it. Don’t fool yourself by moving to UCL: you can’t change inequality with sarcasm.

All evidence is taken from The Sutton Report, which makes fascinating reading for data nerds.

  • Maaaate

    Its kicking off!

  • TPJ

    I'm not surprised she rejected Oxford – their U21s don't stand a chance against me!

    • Birke

      jog on with your TPJ comments you faggot, we get the point – he's shit and keen

  • hat police

    she should be arrested…

    • weird poncho police

      She should definitely be arrested.

      • equal sleeves police

        We have an arrest warrant…

        • Joke too far police

          Come with me sir.

          • Real Police

            Impersonating policemen is illegal you know…

  • TPJ

    Now she will never know the wonder of U21s training!

  • Stupid

    This hilarious letter would have made more sense if she had sent it rejecting an offer she had received from Oxford. Instead, she sent it after her interview, which probably went badly and she decided to 'reject' them in order to save face. The letter itself is immature and pompous. Also, she has said that she applied to Cambridge the year before and was turned down. The whole thing is incredibly stupid.

  • Peej

    Really good article

  • Top

    This is really good.

  • Pedant

    *it's

  • Matt Birke

    I almost didn't come here because of the chicks to boys ratio but turns out I can get it wherever I go

    • Bad choice…

      …if you wanted more guys, you should've gone to Imperial.

      • Droggles

        lol, because gay!

        • taja

          goes well with the comment calling someone a 'faggot' up there

  • Mr Y

    Good article.

  • Eugh

    She looks like she was enjoying herself in the picture by Magdalen's deer park; not "intimidated" by the grand setting. If she hated the place so much, why is she grinning in the photo?

    • Grinning now

      Sorry, didn't realize you needed to cry the whole time during your visit to judge a place as elitist

  • WTF?

    Well why did she apply to Cambridge one year and to Oxford the next, if she was against all the tradition and (incorrectly perceived) snobbery – silly cow clearly just didn't want to get rejected first, and wanted to make a spectacle out of herself. Plus typical Guardian picking on this sort of thing.

  • sour grapes
  • Jenny

    Would like to point out that though perhaps less frequently, the press does quite happily deride bath, bristol, durham etc for the same kind of snobbery. I don't think her letter says anything new; what really has to change is the quality of state schooling country-wide – I don't think we can really blame oxbridge for the unbalanced intake of private and state pupils (and yes, it is unbalanced – 7% of secondary school age pupils in the UK are privately educated; intake at Ox/cam is around 50/50). The idea that oxbridge interviewers are perpetuating that kind of bias alone is preposterous. As you say it's the middle classes that populate oxbridge, and most of the redbricks, however they were educated, and the problem then is how can we stop letting down less priveleged children so badly that they don't even have the chance to consider the russell groups and oxbridges of this world?

  • The Irony

    I'd be interested to know whether she has considered that by doing this she is probably doing more to dissuade state school pupils from applying to Oxbridge than any number of private school kids could.

    If all people hear from the Guardian is that Oxbridge don't take state school students, then what's going to make them want to apply. If the Guardian spent less time crowing over elitism and more time trying to understand the issues we'd all be a lot further along.

  • The voice of reason

    Why apply if your just going to reject it anyway?

  • You are

    spot on Master Bates.

  • Andrew
  • jim

    hear hear!

  • secondarymodern

    Regardless of the accuracy of otherwise of Elly's assessment of Oxbridge, it is clear for all to see that these schools are largely still unfortunately the preserve of the elite, and famous for weighing down it's minority of social-climbing graduates with inferiority complexes related to wealth and status. We love it because we are in it, but it would be churlish to suggest that the system is perfect as it stands. Therefore although Elly's letter may serve a subsidiary purpose of reinforcing stereotypes about Oxbridge, it's primary focus is rightly exposing those stereotypes to be what are often tragic truisms. The 'culture editor' of the Tab feels the need to criticise the young lady's use of sarcasm, but in employing the same tool in the manner in which he does, he not only slights her but all those others who would strive for a more egalitarian and equal educational infrastructure at the highest levels.

    • http://cambridgetab.co.uk/author/joe-bates Joe Bates

      I very rarely reply on posts, but I thought I might clear up some stuff here.

      Firstly, I totally agree with you about the problems of the system. They were precisely the problems I hoped to highlight in this article. We don't solve problems, however, by falsely attributing them.

      Secondly, I didn't mean to be cruel to Elly Nowell. I think she's got balls, which I admire, despite the fact that I think she is wrong. Because I respect her I think she can probably deal with what was a fairly moderate argument against her position. She doesn't seem to be the type to be fazed by a backlash.

      P.S. I am, genuinely, the culture editor of The Tab. Really. I edit the culture section. 'Although' perhaps 'your' apostrophes we mis'placed'.

    • Comments police

      Calm down, mate.

    • JJJ
    • Grammar Police

      Your attempt at writing an intelligent response was totally undermined by your incorrect usage of "it's". If you want to be taken seriously, sort your grammar out.

  • Point of Information

    She has written her own article now, in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/

  • Ilovememegenerator
  • The sad truth

    The problem isn't the application process, it's the fact that not nearly enough people are applying from less privileged backgrounds. This could be changed, but that change needs to come from the school itself. If (badly-informed) teachers tell less privileged pupils that they "wouldn't really fit in in Oxbridge" (which sadly happens far too often) then they will never apply.

    Brilliant article.

  • Logic…

    She gets intimidated by grand buildings…

    …So she applied to the only Oxford college with a deer park.

  • Stupidity

    What an attention seeking idiot. Yes, Oxbridge is dominate by middle/upper class people. Being here and coming from a working class background it's something that's painfully obvious and gets annoying sometimes. And yes, that imbalance is a shame. But it's not Oxbridge's fault at all if the working classes aren't equipped/choose not to apply. And if I go home and say to all the other intelligent working class people that I know: "Don't go to Oxbridge, you're from a lower socio-economic background so you won't fit in", how on earth is that going to help the situation improve?!

  • Stay away

    Nothing worse than inverted snobbery, UCL with its Benthamite foundation is hardly going to embrace that attitude.

  • Good Job

    Agreed, very good article. Joe, I am now a fan. Keep it up.

  • Nowell's House Party

    The best bit is that she didn't even get an offer, she 'rejected it' before she found out, probably because she did a crap interview

  • Impressed

    This is a brilliantly written article, well done! Managed to point out what's wrong with her letter without using words like 'petulant' and sounding like you're on an Oxbridge high horse, which I've not seen up until now!

  • Hamlet

    Why does anyone really care about this story, that's the question?

  • Trend-setter

    While I don't study at Cambrige, being a friend of Jo's I often pop over to read the Tab and for once I feel qualified to comment:

    I withdrew from my Cambridge application 2 years ago with an email that told them felt the course I was applying for was too archaic and abstract and I preferred to study on one that was more applicable to the real world. Some how I suppressed the urge to make a spectacle of myself…

    I now study at St Andrews which has managed to avoid the public stigma of being ridiculously posh even though:

    1) blooming Prince William studied here
    2) we have commemorative hunter wellies for sale for our 600th anniversary (seriously)
    3) we have a very high proportion of international students who pay ridiculously high fees and thus are rich out of necessity

    But alas Oxbridge garners its elitist image while we suffer being ignored except when Wills comes for a visit or some of us take up effigy burning. Truly this is a sad state of affairs…

    On a serious note I think the world needs to get a grip, Jo makes an excellent point: the middle-class majority at university is a social problem not the fault of individual unis. More crucially it affects all the "good" universities equally. Poor state education, difficult home environments, the assumption that without a good background it isn't worth applying must be accepted as the root causes. Perhaps then we can try and find solutions to all these things.

    • Concerned student

      What is wrong with you. Why are you posting something serious on the comments section of the Tab?

    • Ummm

      Why did you apply to Cambridge then if you didn't like the course? If you can't read a prospectus, you're probably not Cambridge material anyway…

  • typo

    "the the"

  • StateSchoolSatan

    ‘traditions and rituals’.

    CUSU made us all sacrifice a goat in order to gain entry to their shadowing scheme.

  • Guardian Reader

    As a working class girl from Winchester (source: Guardian) she's probably been intimidated by nice buildings all her life.

  • Truly Privileged

    "Some of the most privileged people I know went to state school"

    You clearly don't know very many very privileged people. Come spend an afternoon at Trinity and I promise this deplorable state of affairs will change. Also, seriously, if this is true, what college are you at? I've never been to one which doesn't have a good crop of proper £25000pa public school inhabitants.

    On another note, if you're going for the money-isn't-everything type of privilege, doesn't it kind of make you privileged to have the opportunity to take up a scholarship to a private school?

  • Rick

    This is disgustingly bitchy. Way to provide an open-minded critique. Instead, this just seems to be from the mind of a jealous Robert Pattinson fangirl.