LEYLA HAMID and CHLOE COLEMAN think this poignant five-star production has everything you could ask for.

Corpus Playroom, 7pm, 5th – 9th March, £6/5

Director: Jesse Haughton-Shaw

When you hear the words ‘Corpus Playroom’ there’s already almost no doubt in your mind that you’re in for something intense, hard-hitting and, let’s face it, grim. The House of Bernarda Alba fulfils these criteria but, unlike some of our past Corpus theatrical encounters, this play didn’t leave us feeling beaten up: sure, it’s bleak, but Lorca’s poignant message lingers without being shoved down your throat. You can take as much or as little from it as you want.

Perpetually stuck under a haze of mourning their father, five sisters are confined between four walls in 1930s pre-war Spain. Kept firmly under the iron fist of the tyrannical matriarch Bernarda, we watch this sisterhood of overgrown adolescents gradually disintegrate until even supposedly unconditional love is reduced to hatred and jealousy – all thanks to the presence of Pepe el Romano, a man we never see. This is a play entirely of and about women, and we are to witness the fatal effects of this absence of men.

A key aspect of this production’s success lies in the staging. White-washed walls provide the perfect backdrop to the black-clad women in mourning dress, allowing us no reprieve from the suffocating tension and familial animosity. The motif of heavy breathing brilliantly and effectively communicates the intense and almost claustrophobic heat which pervade the house, arguably a major driving force behind the storm which eventually breaks. Often characters entering and re-entering seems a bit messy and disruptive, but here the space was used resourcefully – constant appearance and disappearance served instead to emphasise the debilitating lack of privacy in the prison-house.

As for the acting, all members of the cast gave impressive performances. In such a sizeable company, it is often difficult to create and sustain fully-fledged and individual characters. However, this was not a problem for this production, as, admirably, distinctive character portrayals made the potentially intricate plot easy to follow. Kay Dent as the flighty youngest sister Adela gave a convincing performance, and as such we weren’t sure whether to pity or censure her. Olivia Stocker as Martirio conveyed jealousy and spitefulness with uncomfortable conviction. These are to name but a few, as the whole cast exhibited a natural synergy.

Whilst The House of Bernarda Alba was not exactly easy-watching, it was fast-paced, raw and truly deserved the almost full house it received. This play carries a powerful message that is expertly realised in this production, and there’s not much we could say by way of improvement. Staging, acting, directing – the lot – all seem to be in the right place, and it makes for an engaging and memorable performance.

  • What about

    Bernarda??? How was she portrayed – you know, the eponymous and also most important character? The woman playing a man’s role in a man’s world? The most fascinating character Lorca ever created? Sorry to hear it wasn’t “exactly easy watching”. That tends to be the case when you go to see a tragedy. Poor review.

  • fools

    St Raymond don’t have a lead singer, St Raymond is the lead singer…

  • Stranaugh

    The 90’s wants their awful shit back

  • anon

    The girl in the top picture looks bloody horrific.

    • Indeed

      Almost as bad as her shit tat.

  • fmf

    That is just an awful tattoo

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  • mary

    This post is pretty mean. Have you ever imagined that people might choose to study science because they find learning about the way in which our universe works interesting and beautiful? And for the record I, like most science majors, also understand the value of literature and do not think your degree is useless.

  • Scientist

    the lady doth protest too much, methinks

  • Anon

    This is the most boring and self centred article I’be ever read.nFor someone claiming to be much more open – minded than a scientist, you’re very judgemental and quick to stereotype others. Sounds like you have even more of a single-minded way of thinking than your scientific counterparts.nnJust because somebody chose to do a science degree, it doesn’t mean they’re not capable of understanding literature or social interactions, as you seem to suggest. nnP.s. I graduated in physics last year and spent a good few months at the job centre so get off your high horse, it’s not easy for any of us.

  • Sophie

    I’d rather have no personality than a sh*tty one like yours n

    • David Bryson

      I hope the author reads these comments and realises how silly she’s been.

  • Anon

    Someone’s salty. Keep this shit on tumblr.

  • Nicole

    “Read something that suggests actually maybe to and two DOES equal five”? Clearly even with an arts degree you still struggle to spell.

  • Connor

    “Can you really know despair if you don’t care for Shakespeare” – yes

  • Didn’t Pick a Dumb Degree

    I’ve seen The Tab publish some incredibly dumb stuff but this is absolute nonsense. I think anyone’s capable of hitting out with random quotes, you self righteous mongoloid.

  • anon

    I’m fine not having a well developed personality so long as I never have to work in McDonalds.
    Ps how about you lay off the lazy stereotypes?

  • ilovetab

    She wrote the article to write HER opinion- which obviously would be one-sided! Clearly she’s tired of being told all the time that her degree is ‘useless’ and this is her vent. People need to calm the fuck down and appreciate that it’s just a Tab article and she will be reading the comments so don’t be a dick!

    • physics word play by biologist

      Then she shouldn’t throw rocks if she lives in a transparent-amorphous-solid house….

      • Phil

        You sir just won the internet.

  • Mike Hunt

    Well isn’t this just a festival of ignorance. Cringed hard at the reference to the old left and right brain.

  • Katie

    This article proves you know nothing about science and the people who study it. Scientists don’t use their imaginations? Do you think the scientists who predicted some of the theory’s of quantum mechanics didn’t have to have a least a little imagination? In case you are unfamiliar one concept in quantum mechanics says that by observing an electron passing through a slit you change the outcome of the experiment. So an electron behaves differently depending on whether or not you are watching it. It goes against everything common sense tells us and yet someone thought of that. Someone attempted to explain that. There is an incredible beauty in understanding the universe, from the very tiny like the behave of the electrons in atoms that make up you and I, to the science behind time stopping when you approach a black hole. Physics tells us that stars exploded for us to be here, everything you are made of was created in the nuclear furnaces of stars. If that isn’t poetic, then I don’t know what is.

  • Hater of idiots

    Possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read, The tab has become a site that gives idiots a platform to voice their opinions. “Bachelors of Arts are for people more interested in things that aren’t quite so straightforward” Never laughed so hard in my life, classic comment by a moron who is trying to justify spending £9000 a year to sit in a library while the top feeders sit in a lab and make real world contributions to science with research projects.

  • Thank you

    A rough calculation puts the yearly cost of a chemistry degree at £14000. Arts degrees cost fuck all as they spend all their time in the library. So thank you, for paying for my degree, you are all vital cogs in the machine to churn out top feeders, without you the world would simply not work.

  • anon

    You obviously don’t know anything about science or scientists, your sweeping generalisations are shallow and narrow-minded. You assume that people can only enjoy one or the other where in reality, I think you’ll find that the vast majority of scientists thoroughly enjoy the arts, in fact to a certain extent there is a lot of art in science.

  • Does microbiology

    I regularly have to assess the literature and consciously channel my own thoughts to develop a new strand of argument, I don’t think this is a practice limited to the arts.

  • Katie

    Also, while I’m here… ‘science is just about doing what has been done before’. Are you kidding me? Literally the entire point of science is to broaden our knowledge of the universe by attempting to explain things that are yet to be understood. Science is ALL about new discoveries and ideas, what you said couldn’t be any further from the truth and really highlights your complete ignorance. However if we want to talk about subjects that ‘just do what has been done before’ isn’t that basically the whole point of history? What about all those ancient books you read in English that have been read and analysed so many times that know one can come up with anything new to say about them anymore? Just saying.

    • Another BA Student

      I’m not going to disagree with you on you description of what science is about. The article is pretty poor in that respect. It’s equally incorrect to say that the ‘ancient books you read in English’ have no new readings available to them. Even if a book has been mined pretty extensively, each new school of thought and critical theory will bring new things to the discussion of it.
      There is some merit behind what you’re saying though, in that the arts are extremely self-referential. Demonstrating that you know the canon and can reference or re-work elements of it is pretty central to a lot of writing. Ulysses is a retelling of the Odyssey, Paradise Lost is a refiguring of classical mythology to fit a Christian worldview, loads of Shakespeare’s plays are reworkings of other tales. It’s in the way these things are reworked that the interest lies. You don’t have to be interested in that, but don’t write it off as just more of the same thing because that’s just incorrect.

      • jug

        So by understanding that Shakespeare’s plays were actually reworkings of other tales, will this change the lives of literally anyone? except maybe the lives of other arts students??

        In the meantime, science is furthering modern medicine and extending your expected lifespan…..

        • Another BA Student

          Brilliant! And the arts will keep providing things for everyone to do in their extended lifespans. I don’t really see the problem with that since no arts subject ever set out to extend your life. nComparing the benefits of arts subjects to those of science subjects is a false equivalence. It’s not like both science and art set out to extend everyone’s lifespan and only science succeeded so scientists can go “ha, we beat you!” If you’re honestly trying to argue that science is objectively more valuable than art then more power to you, but I certainly don’t envy you. Science extends our life. Art enriches it. And I’m fine with that.

  • David Bryson

    “Bachelors of Arts are for people more interested in things that arenu2019t quite so straightforward” Do you even Biology bro

    • jug

      upvote x 6.02×10^23

      • a Mole

        I feel loved

  • Oncologist

    “Can you really know despair if you don’t care for Shakespeare?”

    Can you really know despair if you haven’t worked on an oncology ward??

  • An

    Just because you can’t do science, doesn’t mean scientists can’t read books.

  • anon

    Stupid, pig ignorant generalisations tinged with bitterness.
    Guess what moron, you can read and understand Oscar Wilde if you’re not an arts student, my personal favourite is Vera.
    It does not take an arts degree to love art & literature, and if you think it does, you’re a fool.

  • anony-mouse

    Time to drag that big personality of yours down to the job centre…

  • Sam Hyde

    “Hi I am and arts student and I claim the right to dance around aimlessly, scream nonsense, and fling my poo-poo all from the comfort of my cool artist residency while I apply for grants. And after that, I don’t know, I’ll probably travel for a few years before finally settling down to “teach”. I am a net drag on the economy. The very idea of producing something of value or being held responsible for my wasteful lifestyle strikes me as highly offensive. As a matter of fact, I think I know exactly who blame for this and his name is Sam Hyde. Monday through saturday I will tell you that teasing people for their appearance or sexuality is dead wrong, and threatening physical violence should be met with jailtime. But on sunday I would just like to say that Sam Hyde is an ugly beta male who getns no pussy, and he should be beaten and castrated for not falling in with the party. I don’t know what “cognitive dissonance” means because MGMT never wrote a song about it.”

    • jug

      I love you Sam Hyde. Genuinely

  • Anon

    I think it’s fair to say that almost everyone commenting on this and the author herself are equally as bad as each other. I have been both a Science and an Arts student at university so see myself as a pretty good middle ground, since I am capable and enjoy both. I received a lot more respect as a Science student and since becoming an Arts student all I get is criticism and jibes about laziness, sitting in the library all day and unemployment. I’m not saying that what the author is saying is right, but the anger and bitterness she is portraying comes from the attitude a fair proportion of Science students give to the Arts. If that attitude wasn’t present, she wouldn’t feel the need to defend herself so bitterly. I think there just needs to be a little more mutual respect and a little less questioning people’s decisions about what they wish to study and a little less superiority.

    • Phil

      Great way to earn respect, suggesting that the people who are inventing drugs and improving technology will never know love or can only empathise with eggs. I agree with you that there should be respect to all subjects, which is why I fond this article so frustrating. People should just be nicer to each other

  • Phil

    What a horrid piece of trash journalism. I’m not going to try and address the balance here because I don’t think it’s necessary. Respect every course because they are all valuable to society. What isn’t valuable to society is the attitude presented here of detached, victim-complex, cynicism. You can’t get a job because your articles suck, not because of your degree.

  • Lydia

    This is the first time I have also felt the need to comment on the tab, as usually articles are a little less one sided but this one is ridiculous. Doing an arts degree does not give you a better personality than doing a science degree. In fact doing no degree gives you a better personality that any other, that is something you have before and both a science and an arts student can have a great or shitty personality! Plus the point of science is to do an experiment on something completely knew and find out something new about the world not just repeat something previously proven (its not high school level science!) and this does take imagination and creativity!

  • Olie

    This just shows the personality that you have evolved, hiding behind endless quotes that were written years ago when philosophy was considered a thing. I am a Chemistry and Drug Design (MChem) student and do believe that you have us all wrong, I have never met anyone as described in your report, let alone in my discipline. I have you know that I enjoy good literature, art, sports and music. I have been a national champion of one sport and this year was part of my university’s american football team, I am also a multi-instrumentalist who can play the bass guitar to grade 8. So, as we keep our opinions of bullshit courses under our breaths, stop viewing things in 2 dimensions, isn’t what you are doing here completely contrary of your degree’s aim?

  • Anon

    English is good. Science is good. As an English student, your article doesn’t support the arts it just puts down another course which somebody else finds interesting. Not everyone likes Shakespeare (although I do) and not everyone likes Physics. How about we stop crapping on each other’s degrees and just let each other study whatever the hell we want, yes?

  • PhysicsJoe

    Firstly, you ignorant self-centred elitist, you have no idea what is it like to study a science because you have not. Contrary to your warped perception, it takes a great deal of “thinking-outside-the-box” mentality to really succeed in a scientific subject because problems, again contrary to your perception, do NOT NECESARRILY follow simpe logical rules ( something very apparent in Physics).

    Secondly, I, admire the courage of anyone who is willing to take their passion for the Arts a step further in university, and I am glad there people like that. I myself had done stage acting and I enjoy it immensely.Humanity needs the Arts, its needs its poets, and artists, and actors. I shudder at the though of livig in a world without the Arts. But to immediately dismiss every person you will ever meet as a passionless robot with zero personality just because of his/her degree choice is completely bigotry. Maybe you have met the wrong science students that make you feel this way. But in truth, all I see is an insecure little child, begging to feel relevant and superior because you feel your degree does not quite cut it financially. Well if it did not, WHY WOULD YOU DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?. Stop wasting space and give up your position for someone who truly loves the art for the sake of it and not need it to feel as if they are superior in personality.

  • Anon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman Had better crack than you…

  • Steve

    So the authors criteria for having a personality is the ability the list off different names for your penis.

  • scientistman

    scientistman u2022 a few seconds agon”There is an astonishing imagination, even in the science of mathematics… We repeat, there was far more imagination in the head of Archimedes than in that of Homer.” [Voltaire]

    • lol

      Voltaire was a writer/historian/philosopher. Sort of shot yourself in the foot there lul

  • Switzerland

    I think a few things need to be remembered here:n1) This is her opinionn2) This is the Tab, and the Tab isn’t real-world journalism – and nobody is pretending it is. It’s for opinion and silly articles and this one should be taken with a pinch of salt.n3) Do you genuinely think she actually believes all scientists are boring/have no personality?n4) While I understand why a scientist would be offended, like I said, this must be taken lightly. It isn’t a completely serious article.n5) Insulting the arts in the comments completely invalidates your point, and reinforces hers. Science is phenomenal, and nobody’s going to dispute that – but just because the arts don’t have a direct impact on your life expectancy doesn’t mean they’re useless. Agreed, understanding the universe and how it works is beautiful and fascinating, but so is understanding how humans have used their abilities. History and science, in many facets, go hand-in-hand, and the arts and sciences cannot exist without each other. Neither degree is more or less interesting, or useful.nWhat I’m trying to say here is that, if you’re going to take this article seriously (which you shouldn’t), you need to understand that being an arts student involves pretty much constant criticism about your degree – people saying it’s pointless, that you won’t ever get a job. nDoing a degree isn’t about whether it’s useful or not. All of us here chose to do our degree because we ENJOY IT. Who really gives a shit what anyone else thinks about it?

  • anon

    People need to chill. This was a tongue in cheek, not serious article. Science and Arts are both valuable degrees in different ways, I don’t think the author REALLY thinks all scientists don’t have a personality

  • charlie

    I studied Chemistry at university and am currently studying a PhD in medicinal synthetic chemistry. I would not say that because i do a science i have limited emotions. Just because i do chemistry doesnt mean i can’t read in my free time and let my creative side out. Even in scince , epecially in my line of work, you have to be creative in thinking of synthetic pathways and how to overcome problems.

    I totally disagree with this article!

  • Anon

    Ha! – A physicist

  • MadScientist

    I’m all for art degrees and ‘creative’ subjects being a musician studying a science degree, but claiming us ‘scientists’ just do what everybody did before to get the same results is completely a false argument. If that was the case Edison would’ve never invented the lightbulb, Man wouldn’t have walked on the moon and we wouldn’t have any of the medicinal or technological advancements we have today. There is a great deal of creativity in both fields for those who understand their passions and instead of just doing what they’re told find a new medium or angle on a problem rather than accepting the answers we already have. This just makes your article seem more of a personal temper tantrum because your boyfriend or your flatmates keep taking the piss out of your studies.

  • Ra’ad

    Having carefully weighed the variables and carried out a thorough error analysis including Gaussian fitting and standard deviation measurements, (all while my grandparents were dying, but fuck them, I’m a scientist!), I have concluded that the best fit reaction to this post is that its an utter load of horse shit.

  • Guest

    I agree here, arts students never get the credit they deserve, and money absolutely should not be the deciding factor for a life choice. You should study something if you’re interested in it, and hopefully at some point you will get paid for it. I wish any arts student all the luck in the world because the subjects are valuable and have shaped our culture for centuries, and any contribution to the world of literature, drama, language, fine art and other beautiful things should always be encouraged. I dispute the aggressive stance in science, however. This idea that scientists come into the world as bespectacled no-hopers with their trousers tucked into their socks and snotty noses is entirely unfair. We don’t all wear glasses… Science is a beautiful subject, and to have such a closed mind to it is to completely disregard how much of art is founded on our understanding of Da Vinci was one of the greatest artists of our time, and an anatomist, paving the way for our current medical treatments and understanding of the human form divine, if you will. You cannot think understanding the world around you is to detract from it’s beauty? Surely, that is what arts seek to do? To explore in dramatic detail the majesty of a scene, or human condition? Do you think arts students are the only ones to see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wild flower? Blake himself demonstrates the hidden world behind nature, and this wonder has driven some to write poems, some to formulate algebraic formula. Why is one better than the other?

  • Marie Dipple

    I agree here, arts students never get the credit they deserve, and money absolutely should not be the deciding factor for a life choice. You should study something if you’re interested in it, and hopefully at some point you will get paid for it. I wish any arts student all the luck in the world because the subjects are valuable and have shaped our culture for centuries, and any contribution to the world of literature, drama, language, fine art and other beautiful things should always be encouraged. I dispute the aggressive stance in science, however. This idea that scientists come into the world as bespectacled no-hopers with their trousers tucked into their socks and snotty noses is entirely unfair. We don’t all wear glasses… Science is a beautiful subject, and to have such a closed mind to it is to completely disregard how much of art is founded on our understanding of nature. Da Vinci was one of the greatest artists of our time, and an anatomist, paving the way for our current medical treatments and understanding of the human form divine, if you will. You cannot think understanding the world around you is to detract from it’s beauty? Surely, that is what arts seek to do? To explore in dramatic detail the majesty of a scene, or human condition? Do you think arts students are the only ones to see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wild flower? Blake himself demonstrates the hidden world behind nature, and this wonder has driven some to write poems, some to formulate algebraic formula. Why is one better than the other? Let us not forget that if it wasn’t for the invention of transport, then Blake would have never known about his tiger, tiger burning bright, and if Ted Hughes knew anything about nature, which he surely did, then he also bowed to its prowess, as scientists do, which throws the hawk upon the wind, and which lit the fox on the dripping ground. Science is a quest for knowledge, and of having an ever curious mind about the ‘why’ of things around us. I for one hope to live out of a kayak studying the foraging behaviour of manatees, not thinking about money. Live for what you love, and make something of yourself if that’s what you want. Jobs should be merely the practical application of what you know, not as a means to an end. Just because I study something doesn’t mean my awe for it is any less, although that appears to be the accusation here. Also I’ve read the entire works and biography of ted Hughes, so get that shoulder under your stanzas, and we’ll be away.
    Good luck with soul-searching on the internet which science and technology provided your sorry ass with.

  • Dale

    You know, lots of arts students find employment. I think the reason you’ll struggle is because you can’t actually employ the English language well (if at all). Considering your degree focuses on reading and good, clear writing, I would suggest your £9000 is wasted. I think most English students, actually can use grammar, spell correctly and tell the difference between ‘to’ and ‘two’.

  • bbbbbb

    “at least weu2019re not self-righteous bores”nlol did you read the fucking article

  • artsareBAd

    all the people running the SU did BA’s, and they are terrible people. coincidence, I THINK NOT!!!!

  • P.

    Is it just me or you act a little too sensitive?nnWhen you suggest you are oh-so-special and you have a more interesting personality just because you are BA student, You think in your stereotypical little box which is very childish.nnProbably you should try and befriend some Science students, it might be fun. You know, having a rather analitical mind is just one of our many personality traits.

  • Bitch please.

    > implies science doesn’t require original thought
    > implies being able to smugly regurgitate Oscar Wilde quotes means you have a personality
    > implies she knows more synonyms for penis than we do
    No.

  • Anon

    Yes, this article makes perfect sense, because the complex breakthroughs that have been seen in medicine and vaccinology in the past century are so ‘straightforward’ that anyone without a degree in science or medicine could’ve come across them by chance, and saved millions of lives in the process. Wake up.

  • James

    I do hope this was written in satire.

  • Anon

    She is right about one thing, if this is the best article she can muster on the subject she certainly will struggle finding employment in the literature field.

  • Rebecca

    Excuse you. I happen to think all degrees are useful and i myself did a maths degree. Also, we don’t just do the same stuff, who do you think makes your smartphones more efficient, created 3D printing, went to the moon?

    I also write books in my spare time and read at least as much as my friends with an English degree.

    Get off your high horse and stop generalising people. You don’t want to be stereotyped? Well neither does anyone else.

  • Bob

    Judgemental, narrow minded, self centred, bitter, bollocks.

    You don’t get science. Science degrees aren’t just teaching you rules and laws, and mathematics that you have to memorise and churn out on demand. Science degrees are about teaching you a skill set and a way of thinking about problems, a creative way of thinking about problems, and turning that in to an idea for how to solve it. Some theoretical work in Physics and Mathematics is incredibly creative. Paul Dirac was able to think of a solution to a mathematical problem in which he postulated that anti-particles existed. It fixed the maths, and turned out to be correct. No one had heard of anti-matter untill then, no one had dreamed of it. But he managed to make some reasoned assumptions, and followed the mathematics to arive at a creative solution, which described nature in a fundamental way.

    How is that not beautiful? How is that not artistic in it’s own right? You don’t get science so you make these sweeping statements. I’d rather be a bland scientist than be as judgemental and bitter as you.

  • Tom

    I really have no idea what you are talking about. Where is this great divide between science and arts students? I don’t see it at all, students of all degree types mostly seem to get on just fine from what I can tell. This chip on your shoulder that you have is based on assumptions that, at the very least, are grossly exaggerated.nAs for accusing science students of having no personality; that’s just callous, totally bitchy, school yard behaviour. Grow up.

  • sally

    to and two… all I’m saying

  • Charlotte

    How entirely self centred and close minded. This article is ridiculous, you are obviously the one riding on your high horse. I’m a scientist and an artist, that’s right I do both! What brought this about, did you get snubbed by a scientist and think obviously I need to get my own back on the entire community? A ridiculous article and ridiculous view points from a despicable mind set. Just having a science degree doesn’t mean you walk out of uni with an instant job and it doesn’t mean if you apply for one you’re a cert to get it. Absolutle trash.

  • PaRusky?

    Well done in generating butt hurt among science people. But yea, the nice thing about doing science is that I can still read literature, while in humanities you’ll probably have a hard time understanding functional analysis.

    PS. Dostoevsky was an engineer, Bulgakov was a doctor, Pelevin’s from technical uni… looks like these guys managed to do well in literature without jerking off to a degree in soft sciences, you idiot.

  • Millipede

    It is impossible to have no personality. If you tend not to get on with those more scientifically minded that is a weakness of your own personality not an absence of one in others. Literature serves to articulate complex feelings, like music, art and science it is a way for us to explore and understand the world. Most literature is based upon the science of its time and the author trying to comprehend their world. Clearly you have not understood the historical context of the books you’ve read.

  • Ben

    “maybe to and two DOES equal five” – atrocious grammar for someone who writes essays all day

  • AJW

    If physicists can write quotes that can only be considered philosophy and artists can use chaos theory to produce some of the most valuable paintings in the world, is there a real difference between a BA or BSc? As Albert Einstein once said, u201cEverybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.u201d

  • Charles Dickens

    BA students mad because we’re going further in life, pahahaha

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  • BA Student

    Surely that’s the same with science? If you’re passionate about it, you can learn it in your own time…

  • Skyence

    Please try to figure out ANY of the high level scientific concepts i.e. fluid, quantum physics on your own and see how far you get, you need so much basis and groundwork to even begin to start pondering them, unlike literature were it can all be interpreted to different extents and each answer is equal.

  • David Bryson

    Oh okay, I’m interested in human anatomy, I’ll just go perform some dissections then shall I?

  • Chemguy

    Yeah… I’ll do chemistry with all those chemicals I have lying about in my own personal laboratory.

  • Another BA Student

    Please try to figure out ANY of the high level literature concepts, i.e post-structuralism, deconstructionism, Hegelian philosophy, the many differing schools of modernism and see how far you get. You need so much basis and groundwork to even begin to start thinking about them in any meaningful way, because in literature all interpretations and answers are NOT equal, I’m afraid.

  • Beergoggles

    Please try and conduct advanced experiments without the expensive kit universities provides….

  • Superior intellect

    At least you will be able to write a well sourced account of why you are unemployed

  • Another BA Student

    No, please, continue beating that dead horse! Keep widening the two cultures divide that’s been happening since Huxley and Arnold in the 1800s, that Snow and Leavis then made even worse in the 20th century. It can only lead to good things! /s
    Or perhaps, instead of that, question the basic assumption that science and the arts even need to be split at all. Question why we are typed as ‘science people’ and ‘arts people’ and why we are split into two groups from an early age. Try and broach the supposedly impassable gulf between the two cultures and realise that no one endeavour has the more objective value than the other and that what matters is that you are doing something you enjoy. Question why a lot of the comments on here from scientists talk about still being able to enjoy the arts while being a scientist but only talk about them as hobbies or secondary interests and often don’t consider them as things worthy of real, academic study.
    But that’s just like, my opinion, man. And if an arts degree has taught me anything it’s that absolutely all opinions are equally valid. Except, of course, that they aren’t.

  • Another BA Student

    Firstly, please try and run that expensive equipment without being underwritten by the fees of arts students.
    Secondly, please try and read widely and broadly enough to study an arts degree without taking three years out of your life to do so. I’m not saying that you cannot enjoy, appreciate and think deeply about the arts and literature outside of doing a degree, but much like with science degree it takes time, energy and effort that is difficult to find if you are living a life outside of that. Arts degrees at university are there in order to give people that are interested in these things both a space to broaden their thinking and a sounding board in the form of lecturers and tutors with which they can discuss and develop ideas. They are different from BScs but that’s no bad thing.

  • bigbang

    You’re really bitter aren’t you?

  • Another BA Student

    I don’t think so, I intended to mean all that stuff about breaching the two cultures divide to be uplifting. This science vs arts things really has been going on for a very long time, but the interesting thing about it is that the original proponents of the argument (Huxley and Arnold) were both scientists and artists in their own right, they were just arguing about the best way to educate people. It’s when you get to Snow and Leavis in the 60s that a lot of the animosity starts to occur.
    If I am bitter I think it’s because of the constant assumption and assertion (it has to be said, mostly by non-arts students) that all opinions on literature are equally valid. I mean, your opinion is your own and that is great, but that doesn’t make it correct or more valid than someone who has studied the topic more than you. If it’s a completely novel idea then by all means, back it up with evidence from the text! However, just like I’m sure you wouldn’t be comfortable debating Stephen Hawking on the finer points of theoretical physics, talking to the world’s leading expert on Shakespeare or Henry James or Ezra Pound and saying that your opinion on whatever text in question is as equally valid as theirs would be a little silly, surely?

  • In the end, it’s all Math.

    Your patience is an anatomical anomaly. Thank you for existing!

  • Anon

    Try running the equipment with Arts students fees…have you herd of Imperial…?